Saturday, January 16, 2010

Whats a long rang rilfe that i could buy for hunting? How far can it shooot.?

Ive been looking at the 7mm and the 30.06.. anything better? and whyWhats a long rang rilfe that i could buy for hunting? How far can it shooot.?
Matthew, please don't shoot the mules! Unless it is your own mule and you are mad at it.Whats a long rang rilfe that i could buy for hunting? How far can it shooot.?
I shoot both calibers with good sucess. I adjust the load to the game. Want a good weapon: Buy a cheaper Weatherby 270 bolt %26amp; have a gun shop size it to a 270 magnum. Buy 2 or 3 cases of ammo, sight your scope in dead on at 300 yds %26amp; go to the high desert away from anything or anybody and shoot praire dogs until you can hit 10 out of 10. Now, you are ready to make one shot kills. Like one answer you have, I'm ashamed to say, I've made several elk kills with my 270 mag. at that distance.

Bigbair (Never let them see you sweat)
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You are asking two different questions here:

1) What rifle (design) is good for long range hunting?, and

2) What cartridge is good for long range hunting?

First, a long range rifle needs certain qualities, such as: the ability to place shots in the same location, repeatedly. This is typically accomplished by a rifle having a heavy, or bull barrel. In addition, a long range rifle should have a good, repeatable trigger.

Generally, when you are talking long range rifles, you are limited to two current production factory rifles (Remington 700 Varmint series or the Sendero) or custom rifles. The Remington 700 Varmint rifles are short action rifles, with the best cartridge offering for the Varmint being the .308 Winchester. The Remington 700 Sendero is a long action rifle chambered for the .30-06 and magnum cartridges. Savage and Ruger make varmint type rifles, but I am not comfortable with the product quality of Rugers, and the Savage's are the product of a newly forming compny that has not yet demonstrated the quality of the Old Savage company.

Cartridge selection for a long range rifle should be influenced by what you plan on hunting. My current long range rifle (a Remington 700 Varmint Special) is in .308 Winchester. I would consider the longest responsible shot with this cartridge (for me) to be about 600 yards. I would have this limitation for the .308: Deer at 600 yards, Elk at about 400 yards, Moose maybe 350 yards, and bear, perhaps 300 yards max.

The .30-06 is good, but adding maybe an extra 50 yards to the above distances, and heavier bullet offerings for the bigger game. Th 7mm Remington Magnum is nice, but I would not chose it, since the magnums as a family are more expensive to feed, and the 7mm in particular burns up barrels faster ... with a barrel life of about 2500 shots.

Any bullet diameter less than a .30 is going to limit you, or require greater velocity and energy to compensate for the reduction in bullet weight. I would limit your selection, if your wallet can afford it, to either a .30-06 or a .300 Winchester Magnum ... forget the short magnums and the ultra short magnums!

Good luck!
The 308, 30-06, and the 300 Mag are just the tip of the iceberg.

They have all won shooting competitions out to 1000 meters.

There is more then that to shooting long range.

(1) the weapon you select no matter what caliber must be able to handle long range.

Out of the box most gun do well for 100 yards past that they are not up to the challenge.

A qualified gun smith can get any gun up to the challenge for long range for enough money.

( a true top of the line long range weapon can run several thousand dollars and true competition

Weapons can run you as much with scope as a NEW TRUCK)

(2) next true long range enthusiast don鈥檛 buy their ammo from Wal-Mart it is all custom made just for that weapon with 100s of tested rounds to find what combination of Bullet, Powder and primer that work best for that one weapon (no two weapons are alike)

(3) next lets look at the shooter.

Tiger Woods did not get where he is by playing Golf one weekend a month.

A true long range shooter shoots 1000s up on 1000s of rounds to prefect the art.

If you just wont to shoot a paper targets or beer cans GO FOR IT.

If you have fall victim to the clown at the gun shop or range that claim to have shot their Deer at 1000 yards running between boulders and trees with just one shot who also by chance was a Sniper for the Military.

In all my years I have met a vast number of professed Military Snipers from every war and have never met a Military Cook or Mechanic must not of needed them in that era.

First and Foremost I ask Be reasonable if you are a Hunter and respect the game you hunt

Bragging rights are for the Hunter that makes a clean Kill with just one Shot.

If it takes more then one shot the hunter has nothing to Bragg about.

True long range shooters must be able to calculate the trajectory and wind drift not to mention the angel of rise or descent and it鈥檚 effects or the weather and tempter and their effects.

In closing it takes special tools to perform this task Weapon, Scope and Ammo can not be scrimped on.

Then it takes lots of time to develop and prefect the art, For it is an Art
The key is what fits your requirements best.

Bolt action and free-floated barrel are the most important aspects of accuracy.

7mm and .30-'06 are really all you will ever need, unless you are going extreme large game hunting, Polar bear, Rhinoceros, Elephant...

Try .257 Weatherby Magnum

.300 Winchester Magnum is expensive but worth the money.

.338 Lapua is also a nice round but more rare among gun and ammo manufacturers. Has extremely long range, up to and over 1 mile.';The .338 Lapua has a range of 450 yrds for 1000 pound game animals';

Look at .338 Ultra as it offers almost the performance of the Lapua at far lest cost.

.50 BMG - 12.7x99mm, is another long range round if ';overkill'; is the name of the game. Although if you make anything other than a head shot you will be left with no meat. Also you could hit animals behind trees, but this would be irresponsible, and hunting in even lightly populated areas would warrant extra caution. Actually the Lapua bests the .50 for accuracy but definitely not energy.
Get a Ruger Model 77 in .308. The .308 is what the US Army used to replace the .30-06 because the .308 is more accurate and more efficient.

I have 3 Ruger Model 77s, one in .223, a .308, and a 300 Win. Mag., and they all shoot great. They have killed a total of 48 deer.

The longest shot I have made on a deer so far is 235 yards, verified with my range finder. My rifles are capable of better than that, with the .308 and the .300 Win. Mag being the best.

Get a .308 and 150 grain bullets, and have it 1.6 inches high at 100 yards. You will eat deer steaks soon...
the 7mm hasn't got the versatility of the 30-06.

There are so many good rounds for hunting large game it's incredible.

So. Start here. What type terrain are you hunting? If it's flat or semi flat and you have ease in mobility(Quad runner or 4 wheel drive that you can get to an animal you drop) a large bull bore high velocity round is fine.You can pack the weight and do well with the magnum rounds 300 win 300 wby mags for instance. The 30-06 and 308 can compete just as well within 500 to 600 yds

If your hunting hills and valleys through brush. Stay clear of light magnum rounds and 20 cal rounds 270 243 300 savage and the 300 mags will turn (ricochet) off twigs. you want a round with some push. 308 30-06 3030 and 350 will all do it in the 30 cal range.

If your hunting pine covered mountains or aspen covered mountains where visibility is impeded by trees and animals have great cover. 30 cal rounds like the 30-06 3030 3040 308 370 350 303 and such will take down the animals at 50 yds without a sweat. 40 cal rounds like the 444M 45-70 458 44-40 will too.

So covering terrain and calibers we run across one that will hunt everything, two actually. The 30-06 and the 308. the 7mm is not a good all round gun. it's not much of a brush plow.Heavy bull bore rifles in high country where 75% of hunting is done climbing?Not a good idea. on flat land they are great.

Three things you need to be a good hunter are

1 good sense

2 a good all round rifle.

3 great instruction

Any moron can buy a gun and go shoot at animals. You need a rifle to fit your style of hunting that you can fire comfortably without fear or flinch factors.

You need the capability to hit where you need to shoot and drop the animal first shot. This takes practice. Always practice. I can hit a quarter with my 30-06 at 600 yards every time and a dime at 200 without a bit of worry. A gun is no good if you cant hit right on target. So find the one that fits you best. Shoot it until you never miss. stay comfortable and enjoy hunting.
Perhaps someone should first teach you the meaning of ';hunting'; before giving you a weapon?
The rifle must be a bolt action with a stiff barrel. The caliber is dependent on what you are going to be hunting. Prairie Dogs are a lot different than Grisly Bear.

For large game, I prefer the .338 Winchester magnum. This is a superb round for all North American large game animals.

For small and medium game, I prefer the 25-06. It works well on varmints and white tail deer.

NO ONE can make clean , one shot kills one deer sized game animals at over 300 yards. Even with the best equipment it just can not be done. There are just too many variables .
The seven Millimeter is a good newer weapon, however the ammo is expensive. The .30.06 is a older but a goody, and packs a hell of a hit. The greatest amount of kinetic energy is imparted to the Target due to mass velocity and bullet design. The seven mm will give you a slightly greater range but the kinetic energy imparted negates the greater range.

If you were a sniper shooting the Fatal T then the 7mm would be better, and worth the extra money. But if you're just blowing away big game I'd stick with the 30-06.
depends on what you are shooting at, my choice is the 7mm mag they will shoot and kill up to a grizzly then you had better get bigger. the 7mm can reach out there where the old 30-06 cant go I might be wrong but check it out.
If you chasing deer I would say the best gun would have to be the .270 WSM, if you're giong for elk or larger game also I would step up to the .300 WSM. You could even get the 7mm WSM. Any of these 3 models would be great, just make sure the get the WSM (Winchester Short Mag). The WSM shoots faster and flatter than the standard rounds with more foot pounds of energy when you connect with the animal. I personally use the .300 WSM and have no complaints, my friends uses the .270 WSM and loves it. I watched him shoot a nice bull elk with the .270 this year at 450 yards, he hit it right behind the shoulder, the animal took one step and fell over. His gun is sighted in at 200 yards, he only held 8 inches above where he wanted to hit and was dead on. Good luck and straight shooting.
Just the fact that you're asking means you should limit your shots to under 200 yards. Long-range shots should only be taken by very experienced hunters. You owe it to the animals, and you owe it to yourself to make yourself hunt a little harder.

The practical difference between a 30-06 and a cannon like the 300 Remington Ultra-Mag is mostly in the word processors of the hunting writers. If you know your gun (and you have to know it intimately to take an ethical long-range shot), the difference in the field is minimal. By the way, through the years, of the deer I've killed, about 2% were at over 200 yards, and I'm ashamed the number is that high.
The 270 is the one that I prefer it has great accuracy at very long distance also has good stopping power I use mine to hunt elk and mule deer. Not to sure on total distance but drop a mule in Colorado at about 500 yards.
i hunt and reload in south africa.1 you dont say what you want to shoot 2 you dont say the reason you want to shoot ie meat or trophy .

I hunt with 3006 with 180 gr noslers pushing 2500fps. i shoot good clean shots up to 400 yrds on game like springbuck,blesbuck,impala,kudu,moutain reedbuck. with this load im shooting 5mm grps at 200yrds. I can push the velocity up if i want to but then you start damaging the meat at over 2550 fps. also when you start increasing your loads you are ading to the stress your rifle takes and with the 3006 it also packs a bigger recoil than 308/270. The above hunting takes place on open veld(plains) and bushveld. if i want to shoot larger i then put in 220 gr heads. If i want to shoot really far shots at some of the springbuck hunts 500 yds i load 110 gr heads but then really stoke the load to 3500fps to give me the range and stopping power at those ranges
probly lookin for a shotgun..

also suttin cool for hunting is a compound bow

its oldschool but really sick

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